[00:00.000 --> 00:12.800] I am going to talk today about, when I wrote the talk, I said open source collaboration, [00:12.800 --> 00:17.920] but I think open collaboration more in general is maybe more appropriate. [00:17.920 --> 00:25.280] And I think we have, as developers, don't allow me to touch code anymore, but you have [00:25.280 --> 00:28.880] an amazing potential to make the world a better place. [00:28.880 --> 00:38.400] So today I'd like to talk about, first of all, how, why open source is eating the world. [00:38.400 --> 00:44.160] And I want to start with a bit of my personal journey that hopefully makes you understand [00:44.160 --> 00:50.520] sort of the background that I'm coming from. [00:50.520 --> 00:57.520] I started about 15 years ago in open source, and I had a lot more hair. [00:57.520 --> 01:03.000] And I guess at the cost of aging myself, how many people know something called Apache [01:03.000 --> 01:04.000] Cocoon? [01:04.000 --> 01:05.000] Exactly. [01:05.000 --> 01:06.000] I figured. [01:06.000 --> 01:07.000] Exactly. [01:07.000 --> 01:18.680] So I started in open source really because it was fun, because it was, I gotta say, also [01:18.680 --> 01:21.840] a way for me to accelerate my career. [01:21.840 --> 01:27.080] The opportunity to collaborate on the left side, you got my best friend, who still is [01:27.080 --> 01:28.080] my best friend. [01:28.080 --> 01:34.640] I made some of the, you know, my best friendships in open source, but the day that I got my [01:34.640 --> 01:38.560] Apache email address, I still remember it. [01:38.560 --> 01:46.120] I was so proud about, you know, being in the, you know, in between so many smart guys, effectively [01:46.120 --> 01:50.640] much smarter than me, because I've been pretty much mainly release manager at that time. [01:50.640 --> 01:56.800] I never really wrote super hardcore code, but that's where I started. [01:56.800 --> 02:01.920] Really as a personal motivator. [02:01.920 --> 02:08.520] Then I moved into, I had the luck to move to Holland, let's say in Italy, didn't really [02:08.520 --> 02:14.480] have such a lively technology ecosystem in 2006. [02:14.480 --> 02:20.640] And I had the luck of starting to get paid to do my open source work, whether it was [02:20.640 --> 02:27.800] community open source, building SDKs, whether it is, you know, actually as part of my day [02:27.800 --> 02:35.840] job, being able to be first a developer, then a product manager for the developer platform. [02:35.840 --> 02:41.480] And not sure what I'm doing up there, but I guess clearly I was having a lot of fun [02:41.480 --> 02:44.120] in Munich, or thereabouts. [02:44.120 --> 02:47.760] Then I moved to the US. [02:47.760 --> 02:58.640] I never really grew up with the American dream, let's just say that, but both for work and [02:58.640 --> 03:06.040] for personal reasons, I moved to the United States and I entered this magic world of foundations. [03:06.040 --> 03:12.040] A foundation in a pretty conservative and regulated industry. [03:12.040 --> 03:16.680] This was 2015 when I got called to run, well, at the time it was called the Symphony Software [03:16.680 --> 03:22.720] Foundation and now it's Finos, the FinTech open source foundation. [03:22.720 --> 03:30.200] I tried to take, you know, the Apache way, my sort of open source upbringing and throw [03:30.200 --> 03:34.280] it at banks, it didn't really stick. [03:34.280 --> 03:38.920] I started saying, hey, if it doesn't happen on the list, it doesn't happen. [03:38.920 --> 03:43.160] You guys should, you know, collaborate openly. [03:43.160 --> 03:44.160] It didn't work. [03:44.160 --> 03:51.560] I really had to switch gears and start talking to them about what was the value for them [03:51.560 --> 03:55.720] to collaborate in the open. [03:55.720 --> 04:02.400] Not undermining the principles and the transparency and the governance of open source, but I found [04:02.400 --> 04:08.680] much more success in bringing all different constituents together, whether it is financial [04:08.680 --> 04:15.400] institutions, whether it is technology vendors, whether it is individual contributors of course [04:15.400 --> 04:21.280] that make still the largest part of our community and I think very interestingly regulators [04:21.280 --> 04:28.040] and that's, I think, a theme that you're going to hear quite recurring during the presentation. [04:28.040 --> 04:37.200] There is something there in having active public sector collaboration in industries, [04:37.200 --> 04:40.920] in open source projects. [04:40.920 --> 04:45.000] You know, there's still a long way to go, I wouldn't say that banks are first class [04:45.000 --> 04:49.680] citizens of the open source community, but we were able to make some of the largest firms [04:49.680 --> 04:58.720] in the US and in Europe and in the UK, I guess, extended Europe collaborate and that's, I [04:58.720 --> 05:03.840] think, the beginning of something quite interesting because they have some pretty powerful technology [05:03.840 --> 05:09.680] that they're now, you know, making available and trying to be good citizens that to maintain, [05:09.680 --> 05:14.880] not just, you know, dump and run. [05:14.880 --> 05:15.880] And then it got personal. [05:15.880 --> 05:23.200] You've probably seen on my desktop the picture of my kid, this is Leonardo, his special needs [05:23.200 --> 05:32.280] kid, pretty heavily fragile as a kid and I started seeing the, yeah, he was born like [05:32.280 --> 05:43.320] a lion, no, no, this disability, but I started seeing how open source, again, really is close [05:43.320 --> 05:48.600] to my heart, there are plenty of efforts out there that are trying to use the either open [05:48.600 --> 05:55.840] data or open source truly open collaboration approach to solve things that, you know, for [05:55.840 --> 06:00.920] which there's no commercial viability, big pharma is, you know, much more encouraged [06:00.920 --> 06:09.640] to work on, you know, cancer, you know, vaccines, things that have a massive applicability [06:09.640 --> 06:16.200] and therefore massive commercial potential rather than solving very rare genetic diseases [06:16.200 --> 06:23.080] where you have, you know, 10 people in the world having that specific gene that is, you [06:23.080 --> 06:24.080] know, a mutation. [06:24.080 --> 06:31.040] And so, you know, open treatment is under the Lenox Foundation, open single nucleotide [06:31.040 --> 06:39.720] polymorphism, I'm not really a biologist or doctor, but you see the power of bringing [06:39.720 --> 06:46.040] together data from all over the world to make something out of, you know, where there's [06:46.040 --> 06:52.320] no really commercial drive, there's no drive for innovation. [06:52.320 --> 07:01.840] And so, all of this to say that I find open source itself to be the positive sum game [07:01.840 --> 07:10.440] for which whether you are a corporate, whether you are a government, whether you are an individual, [07:10.440 --> 07:18.320] we can find ways to engage these people and I know that, you know, there's a lot of polarization [07:18.320 --> 07:25.160] today and I hope, you know, nowadays whether it is, again, individual versus big tech, [07:25.160 --> 07:31.360] whether it's Europe versus the US or versus China, but I do think without being naive [07:31.360 --> 07:37.880] that open source actually can be a way for everyone to collaborate and deliver not just [07:37.880 --> 07:40.520] technology innovation but social value. [07:40.520 --> 07:48.160] So, I want to, before we go into sort of what are the challenges, I think it's important [07:48.160 --> 07:53.680] to talk and sort of understand how some of the most successful projects, at least in [07:53.680 --> 07:55.440] my experience, came about. [07:55.440 --> 08:03.120] I mean, I'm sure you're all pretty familiar with a guy called Linus Torbal, so I'm not [08:03.120 --> 08:09.240] going to go into Linux as a pretty obvious example of a project that was individually [08:09.240 --> 08:14.920] started or individually led at the beginning, but more recently, again, more in the world [08:14.920 --> 08:22.560] of finance, one example that has been pretty interesting to me of a project that started, [08:22.560 --> 08:28.400] you know, by an individual out of really coding, maybe not so in the garage, but, you know, [08:28.400 --> 08:35.920] during the pandemic in lockdown, it's a software called OpenBB, it used to be called gain stunk [08:35.920 --> 08:36.920] terminal. [08:36.920 --> 08:45.080] If you're familiar with, you know, the gain stunk frenzy two years ago, where, you know, [08:45.080 --> 08:52.360] the community started betting against Wall Street and, you know, created a pretty interesting, [08:52.360 --> 08:58.600] you know, basically growth of a stock that really didn't gain stunk, didn't really have [08:58.600 --> 09:06.600] a lot more value, but it was an example of someone that, you know, of a movement that [09:06.600 --> 09:15.320] was really trying to democratize access to, you know, a very elitist and very wealthy, [09:15.320 --> 09:17.400] you know, part of the industry. [09:17.400 --> 09:25.080] And so one guy overnight built sort of a replacement Bloomberg terminal. [09:25.080 --> 09:28.440] For those of you who are not familiar with Bloomberg terminal is what, you know, people [09:28.440 --> 09:36.800] use in Wall Street is a very closed, very heavily proprietary terminal, you know, literally [09:36.800 --> 09:42.520] a thing, a box, that are used by traders to research and trade. [09:42.520 --> 09:47.680] And so someone went out there and built an actual terminal. [09:47.680 --> 09:55.240] Turns out that not only when you pair open source with a cause, you really get a potential [09:55.240 --> 09:59.280] amazing exponential growth, but of course timing has to be right. [09:59.280 --> 10:05.040] This was done when at the very moment that, you know, the whole world of retail investors [10:05.040 --> 10:08.320] was betting against Wall Street. [10:08.320 --> 10:10.600] And of course it's not just about the code. [10:10.600 --> 10:17.280] It was lucky, DDA, which happened to be a friend of, was able to, you know, put it on [10:17.280 --> 10:23.520] Acre News, it went viral on Acre News, went number one, and so it was off the razors. [10:23.520 --> 10:29.120] It started getting contributions, it's now gotten funding, and it rebranded from, again, [10:29.120 --> 10:32.080] gain stunk terminal to OpenBB. [10:32.080 --> 10:37.240] So there's a lot of power when you are able to pair open source with an actual social [10:37.240 --> 10:44.480] cause or, you know, an individual cause. [10:44.480 --> 10:50.160] Now we're very familiar, I think, with corporate led open source projects. [10:50.160 --> 10:53.680] We're getting more and more common. [10:53.680 --> 10:57.560] There are two, you know, examples here. [10:57.560 --> 11:05.320] As I said, I never really grew up with the American dream, but it has to be said that [11:05.320 --> 11:15.880] some contributions from big tech like Kubernetes or PyTorch have certainly created opportunities [11:15.880 --> 11:16.880] out there. [11:16.880 --> 11:20.000] And of course this is not because of charity. [11:20.000 --> 11:28.960] Let's be clear, while us coming from the open source community have an aspect of conscience, [11:28.960 --> 11:35.440] you know, these large corporations largely do open source because they see a potential [11:35.440 --> 11:42.680] down the line, whether it is commoditizing a competitor, if you've never seen the Kubernetes [11:42.680 --> 11:48.000] documentary, they actually have a documentary, I wish one day I'll be so cool that I have [11:48.000 --> 11:55.720] a documentary about my project, but, you know, Google said it out loud, incrementalism [11:55.720 --> 12:02.680] step by step wasn't going to get them to catch up with Amazon on the cloud front. [12:02.680 --> 12:10.560] And so they open source Kubernetes and, you know, we now have about 21 trillion investment [12:10.560 --> 12:15.960] globally about one trillion in Europe. [12:15.960 --> 12:21.840] And Kubernetes is one of the most sought after skills out there. [12:21.840 --> 12:27.680] And again, this doesn't mean that the motives originally were about the spirit of open source, [12:27.680 --> 12:30.960] but certainly it has created opportunity. [12:30.960 --> 12:37.560] Same for PyTorch, you know, some of the main advancements out there, oh, we can talk about [12:37.560 --> 12:48.040] TensorFlow, but really AI has certainly benefited from the open sourcing and more recently the [12:48.040 --> 12:52.280] introduction of open governance around some of these projects. [12:52.280 --> 12:57.520] But of course, as I said, open governance, you must play by the rules. [12:57.520 --> 13:02.600] And I know that we all have, you know, slightly different ideas what the rules should be, but [13:02.600 --> 13:08.000] certainly a good starting point is to use an OSI approved license. [13:08.000 --> 13:14.120] And ideally, you know, be in any foundation where you can bring all the different parties [13:14.120 --> 13:20.000] together and be a neutral environment. [13:20.000 --> 13:28.400] And then, you know, we have plenty of examples of non-profits led open source, whether it [13:28.400 --> 13:35.640] is projects from the Linux Foundation or more from, you know, a 501c3 type charity like, [13:35.640 --> 13:40.440] for example, Mojaloop, that works around financial inclusion. [13:40.440 --> 13:47.960] We have seen, especially in the last few years, how open source not always super successfully, [13:47.960 --> 13:53.880] because, for example, I left public health, was created, you know, in response to the [13:53.880 --> 14:02.040] COVID-19 pandemic to have, you know, open source COVID tracking apps, and, you know, [14:02.040 --> 14:09.280] it's been used in some governments, but as a U.S. president, I still have my paper-vaccine [14:09.280 --> 14:11.560] card, like when I was in the 80s. [14:11.560 --> 14:17.560] So it hasn't really been sort of as ubiquitous as we wanted to be, but certainly the attempt [14:17.560 --> 14:26.040] was correct, was the idea that we are all in a major global crisis, and open source can [14:26.040 --> 14:27.040] help. [14:27.040 --> 14:37.120] I think a great example is OpenSSF, you know, actually, while I tend to forget that OpenSSF [14:37.120 --> 14:44.200] was created two months before Log4Shell, not after, although the Linux Foundation was pretty [14:44.200 --> 14:51.200] well positioned to help and corral a response, at least from the U.S. government. [14:51.200 --> 14:57.520] We had several meetings at the White House, acting really as a sort of convening power, [14:57.520 --> 15:04.080] also for the large technology companies, and I hope, you know, we can work together on [15:04.080 --> 15:14.440] a global standard here, because, you know, we're all at risk based on open source sustainability, [15:14.440 --> 15:15.440] really. [15:15.440 --> 15:22.800] And then finally, as I said, known profit, when you, you know, talk about financial inclusion [15:22.800 --> 15:29.000] or other causes, you can attract also, you know, private funding, charity funding. [15:29.000 --> 15:36.480] And Mojalope is largely funded also by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. [15:36.480 --> 15:43.240] And so, what is preventing us to make an even bigger impact? [15:43.240 --> 15:48.440] I think there's a few reasons. [15:48.440 --> 15:50.640] One I just hinted to, it's open source sustainability. [15:50.640 --> 16:03.120] I mean, most of you have probably seen that comic about, you know, about how often, and [16:03.120 --> 16:09.320] in some cases, how little we know about how the modern infrastructure sometimes is relying [16:09.320 --> 16:16.760] on, again, the amazing work of some random guy in the brackets as that, but, you know, [16:16.760 --> 16:26.480] I know many of you can relate to sometimes how, you know, unthankful the internet can [16:26.480 --> 16:32.560] be, or the technology community can be, when you are doing amazing work in maintain a library [16:32.560 --> 16:40.880] that then turns out, you know, large corporations, governments, and technology companies rely [16:40.880 --> 16:42.160] on every day. [16:42.160 --> 16:49.640] And so, whilst, of course, log for shells, solar winds, and all the, you know, attacks [16:49.640 --> 16:53.960] that we've seen in the last few years have raised the profile and created organizations [16:53.960 --> 16:59.720] like OpenSSF to really start addressing not only security, but sustainability. [16:59.720 --> 17:03.480] This remains a big problem. [17:03.480 --> 17:10.000] Also because of sort of a lack or uneven funding across the world. [17:10.000 --> 17:16.640] As I said, I had the luck quite early in my career to start being paid to do open source, [17:16.640 --> 17:19.240] and it's a beautiful thing. [17:19.240 --> 17:26.800] I never had to really struggle to do what I love so much doing. [17:26.800 --> 17:35.280] And a little caveat here, I don't come from a rich family, but they were able to make [17:35.280 --> 17:43.720] me study, and, you know, I think in Europe is, to an extent, easier to have sort of those [17:43.720 --> 17:51.560] basic rights, but I never, never forget that it's a privilege to be able to work in open [17:51.560 --> 17:52.560] source. [17:52.560 --> 17:57.240] You know, I used to start, you know, growing up, I used to say, look, if I, I wouldn't [17:57.240 --> 18:02.040] be here if I hadn't started contributing to open source when, you know, when I was with [18:02.040 --> 18:07.720] that picture with long hair, but it's because I had time to do it. [18:07.720 --> 18:17.440] There are simply people and, you know, large slices of society that, you know, don't have [18:17.440 --> 18:21.640] time or don't have the opportunity to be able to start contributing, because they have to [18:21.640 --> 18:25.520] do three jobs to get to the end of the month. [18:25.520 --> 18:31.480] And so open source sustainability is a major issue, and I think we need to continue addressing [18:31.480 --> 18:34.280] it. [18:34.280 --> 18:39.640] And of course, a little touch on open washing, it is, it is very much still a thing, especially [18:39.640 --> 18:43.760] in much, less mature industries. [18:43.760 --> 18:51.760] It's very easy and very cool to jump on the open bandwagon without truly understanding [18:51.760 --> 18:59.960] or, actually, either maliciously, meaning trying to exploit the marketing value of open [18:59.960 --> 19:07.760] source or inadvertently not understanding that, yeah, you have to contribute back if [19:07.760 --> 19:11.760] you want to, you know, ensure a lively ecosystem. [19:11.760 --> 19:16.000] And if you can do software as a corporate world, you can fund open source. [19:16.000 --> 19:19.400] You can pay your developers to work in the open. [19:19.400 --> 19:27.400] But I do think that the main issue is fragmentation, actually. [19:27.400 --> 19:37.720] This is a report that Linux Foundation Research led together with other foundations like Eclipse, [19:37.720 --> 19:40.880] Live Networking, and, you know, Linux Foundation Europe. [19:40.880 --> 19:45.880] And it's about really trying to understand what are the main challenges that prevent [19:45.880 --> 19:51.640] us from, you know, even further getting together and addressing some of the most pressing issues [19:51.640 --> 19:53.320] out there. [19:53.320 --> 20:02.440] This is one that is near and dear to my heart, especially as we are here in Brussels, and [20:02.440 --> 20:09.800] we recently started the Linux Foundation Europe in the understanding that there are, you know, [20:09.800 --> 20:19.080] there's a lot of potential to, you know, help Europe, European technology, European values, [20:19.080 --> 20:26.000] not in Europe, but really go global through the Linux Foundation platform, that of course [20:26.000 --> 20:28.040] is all over the world. [20:28.040 --> 20:37.320] There's clearly, you know, desire and a set of statements to use open source for advancing [20:37.320 --> 20:40.560] digital sovereignty, creating the digital commons. [20:40.560 --> 20:50.240] But it seems very much to me that it hasn't yet been a sort of true set of actions that [20:50.240 --> 20:57.320] are very concrete in, you know, driving towards that vision. [20:57.320 --> 21:04.280] It's very much promoted in principle, but, you know, sometimes even well-intentioned regulations. [21:04.280 --> 21:07.560] I think if you were here yesterday, there's been a lot of conversations around the Cyber [21:07.560 --> 21:15.280] Resilience Act and, you know, what the potential unintended consequences on open source can [21:15.280 --> 21:19.600] be, and the burden they might create on maintainers and foundations. [21:19.600 --> 21:27.800] While again, in principle, the goal was to, you know, try to address sustainability and [21:27.800 --> 21:31.800] try to address security and put some of the burden in the commercial, on the commercial [21:31.800 --> 21:32.800] companies. [21:32.800 --> 21:38.760] I think it's fairly correct. [21:38.760 --> 21:48.240] And so you always end up with great statements, but not so much of a aligned actions. [21:48.240 --> 21:54.360] And you have to say, Ospo's, you know, the European Commission is an Ospo now, two days [21:54.360 --> 21:57.360] ago the Dutch government announced the creation of an Ospo. [21:57.360 --> 22:02.000] They are sort of really starting to spring out there and I think it's a construct that [22:02.000 --> 22:05.600] is going to help. [22:05.600 --> 22:10.160] But I think, again, for what I've learned from finance, you need a bottoms up and a [22:10.160 --> 22:19.560] top down approach here. [22:19.560 --> 22:24.040] So where do we go from here? [22:24.040 --> 22:41.960] If we want to make an ever bigger impact, actually I'm missing a slide, sorry guys. [22:41.960 --> 22:47.440] I guess I lost it. [22:47.440 --> 22:52.080] I think there is a couple of things that we need to look forward to. [22:52.080 --> 23:00.840] One, understanding that open source is not the battlefield. [23:00.840 --> 23:07.200] We can, you know, compete on the commercial side of the house. [23:07.200 --> 23:20.480] We can compete on, you know, what is truly differentiating, but it's not the open source [23:20.480 --> 23:23.640] community where this battle should happen. [23:23.640 --> 23:31.880] Digital sovereignty doesn't mean building borders around open source. [23:31.880 --> 23:41.880] And indeed that is also what's coming out the fragmentation report. [23:41.880 --> 23:46.080] Transparent open source developments are the best antidote for techno-nationalism. [23:46.080 --> 23:57.080] This is something that, again, despite we know there are tensions all over, open source [23:57.080 --> 23:58.080] should be a bridge. [23:58.080 --> 24:00.680] It shouldn't be another way to divide us. [24:00.680 --> 24:07.720] And there are plenty of areas where we can collaborate, whether it is, you know, open [24:07.720 --> 24:16.960] source infrastructure, whether it is, you know, open source security, whether it is intellectual [24:16.960 --> 24:27.280] property that remains a pretty regional sort of concern, whether it is even broader goals. [24:27.280 --> 24:30.760] And that's where I'm going to go in the next slide. [24:30.760 --> 24:36.360] And I want to say we are asked as foundations to work better together. [24:36.360 --> 24:42.600] There are plenty of educational initiatives out there that we have helped the government. [24:42.600 --> 24:46.960] You know, we have the Tudor Group at the Linux Foundation, but there's the OSPO Plus Plus, [24:46.960 --> 24:51.080] works a lot with the public sector, there's the OSPO Zone and OSPO Alliance from the Eclipse [24:51.080 --> 24:52.080] Foundation. [24:52.080 --> 24:58.720] If there's one objective that I have in my new tenure here in Linux Foundation Europe [24:58.720 --> 25:02.960] is really to bring not only governments, but really start from foundation. [25:02.960 --> 25:14.280] This is something that we are being asked very much loudly by the ecosystem. [25:14.280 --> 25:20.040] And I realize this is in the U.S. up there, but we do have travel funding, but we are [25:20.040 --> 25:28.160] starting to also organize conferences and moments where we're focused on really educating [25:28.160 --> 25:31.720] the government into how they can help. [25:31.720 --> 25:36.600] Not just in words, not just in sort of grants, the stop at research level, but really with [25:36.600 --> 25:41.880] active participation in open source projects. [25:41.880 --> 25:50.080] And as I said, part of the issue here is fragmentation. [25:50.080 --> 25:57.080] I know for a fact, even within the Linux Foundation, we create five or six projects every day, [25:57.080 --> 26:04.760] sorry, every day, every quarter, there are thousands of projects created in GitHub every [26:04.760 --> 26:10.640] month, probably thousands is an underestimation. [26:10.640 --> 26:17.360] And so it behooves us, and that's again what comes out from the fragmentation report, to [26:17.360 --> 26:20.520] really do more to align projects. [26:20.520 --> 26:25.160] And I think I want to applaud, if you guys were here yesterday morning, the Open Source [26:25.160 --> 26:31.920] Initiative announced their partnership with the Digital Public Good Alliance, which is [26:31.920 --> 26:37.040] very much aligned to the UN Sustainable Goals. [26:37.040 --> 26:43.680] And at the Linux Foundation, we're also trying to align our initiatives, our projects. [26:43.680 --> 26:50.760] Again, we have, I don't know what's the current counter project, over a thousand projects [26:50.760 --> 26:59.560] in the Linux Foundation, and I have no idea how many can address, you know, climate, can [26:59.560 --> 27:04.560] address, you know, water crisis, can address energy. [27:04.560 --> 27:11.480] What I know is that Europe has, many of these projects are based in Europe, or as climate [27:11.480 --> 27:19.280] has a large presence in Europe, AgStack for agriculture and AgTech. [27:19.280 --> 27:22.160] And of course, LF Energy. [27:22.160 --> 27:34.000] Those of you who know LF Energy know that the leader recently passed away, Shirley Goodman, [27:34.000 --> 27:42.640] she was a great activist and very much seen Europe as a springboard for global climate [27:42.640 --> 27:44.480] action. [27:44.480 --> 27:49.720] And so you can certainly expect from us a much stronger alignment towards sustainability. [27:49.720 --> 27:56.080] In fact, again, unfortunately, the CFP closes today, so if you're quick, you can probably [27:56.080 --> 28:03.000] still sneak it in, but we are adding another track to our Open Source Summit, which is [28:03.000 --> 28:04.000] sustainability gone. [28:04.000 --> 28:10.520] Again, in the spirit of trying to at least have our house in order, and then hopefully [28:10.520 --> 28:19.640] start collaborating more broadly on the 17 Silver High Value Golds. [28:19.640 --> 28:27.360] And then, you know, I think another way to go beyond standard, beyond sort of this fragmentation [28:27.360 --> 28:37.840] is really, and I'm sure, again, this is not a new comic book, comic strip, I've taken [28:37.840 --> 28:43.720] part in standards, I've taken part in Open Source projects over time, and hopefully I [28:43.720 --> 28:49.160] don't offend anyone here, but I think Open Source is better. [28:49.160 --> 28:59.120] I mean, it's just more apt to incremental progress, and you know, you can always fork [28:59.120 --> 29:07.760] later if you don't agree, but ultimately it allows to build on an existing concrete piece [29:07.760 --> 29:16.040] of code rather than coming up with yet another sort of top-down, you know, 15th standard [29:16.040 --> 29:18.480] whereby 14 do exist. [29:18.480 --> 29:26.680] And I think this is something that also impacts how we collaborate as individuals. [29:26.680 --> 29:32.560] On one hand, look, one of the things that came out of the fragmentation report is, you [29:32.560 --> 29:37.840] know, that fragmentation is a double S word, sure we want consolidation, but on the other [29:37.840 --> 29:45.400] hand, you know, there is value in the distributed mode of Open Source development whereby, you [29:45.400 --> 29:53.480] know, we want to allow multiple options to solve the same problem, and then, you know, [29:53.480 --> 30:00.480] Open Source Darwinism is going to run its course, but I do also think that it beholds [30:00.480 --> 30:07.320] us as developers, I guess, I don't know if I can call myself a developer anymore, to [30:07.320 --> 30:11.200] try harder, to try harder not to reinvent the wheel. [30:11.200 --> 30:21.360] Again, I keep aging myself, but I used to be the Maven guy before going into the foundation [30:21.360 --> 30:27.480] world, and I got so much crap from the ant, guys, like, dude, what are you doing? [30:27.480 --> 30:31.560] This is not, this is not where, you know, it's very polarizing, and I'm like, yeah, sure, [30:31.560 --> 30:37.320] we know it's not perfect, but how about we try to consolidate and improve rather than [30:37.320 --> 30:41.440] creating yet another framework or yet another library? [30:41.440 --> 30:48.720] And again, sometimes there's perfectly valuable reasons to do so. [30:48.720 --> 30:54.560] And so, how do we bring it all together? [30:54.560 --> 31:01.640] This is a very similar slide to the one that we've seen before on finance, and my, the [31:01.640 --> 31:08.080] lesson that I've learned is that it's important to start with why. [31:08.080 --> 31:15.360] And by why, I mean, not only, you know, the conscious aspect of Open Source, but we all, [31:15.360 --> 31:23.160] I think, if we're here, are familiar with, are driven by, but if we want, I think, to [31:23.160 --> 31:29.320] truly make an even bigger impact and a more focused impact on whether it is those major [31:29.320 --> 31:35.600] social goals and sustainability development goals, whether it is, you know, starting to [31:35.600 --> 31:41.200] change an industry, finance, healthcare is one that, of course, is near and dear to my [31:41.200 --> 31:47.000] heart, and due to many reasons, it's still very closed, and, you know, sometimes they [31:47.000 --> 31:53.880] hide behind the regulated nature to sort of enact change, but the reality is that, as [31:53.880 --> 32:01.400] we've seen for banks, this is actually possible, or whether it is to, you know, make the government [32:01.400 --> 32:09.400] understand what they should be practically doing in an open source project to advance [32:09.400 --> 32:18.520] a certain policy to, you know, there's so much, at least in the EU, talk about open [32:18.520 --> 32:24.160] source and how open source can advance, you know, European small and medium businesses [32:24.160 --> 32:34.360] and innovation, and that really does need to be translated into action, and so I think [32:34.360 --> 32:38.880] independent organizations like Foundations, or just the Linux Foundation, any foundation [32:38.880 --> 32:45.240] out there and hopefully better collaborating with each other, here's a way to bring all [32:45.240 --> 32:51.640] these different actors together, still with the principles of open source, but, you know, [32:51.640 --> 32:56.920] I think if we lead with that, we're going to lose some people on the way, we're going [32:56.920 --> 33:08.240] to lose the people that really are there for the money, or for a cause, or, you know, unfortunately [33:08.240 --> 33:17.760] not everyone has this natural driver to collaborate, and so you always need to try and sell it, [33:17.760 --> 33:24.760] you know, it's a dirty word, an example, sell the reasons and the value why people would [33:24.760 --> 33:29.920] want to participate in open source, and to me, yeah, bringing everyone together under [33:29.920 --> 33:35.160] a common governance is really the way forward. [33:35.160 --> 33:43.200] And so, about to wrap, what can we do, can you do, practically to help? [33:43.200 --> 33:48.440] I think from our side, there is much more work in being organized and collaborate and [33:48.440 --> 33:56.320] aligned to common goals on the Foundation's side, but I think if anyone here is from the [33:56.320 --> 34:09.600] public sector, and you are listening online, open source can be the vehicle to drive policy [34:09.600 --> 34:19.320] goals, I mean, there's so much that we can bridge if we start with open governance, and [34:19.320 --> 34:26.040] I think we're not going to be there probably this year or even next year, but I see a moment [34:26.040 --> 34:32.960] in which, like I've seen with banks, we can involve, or why not, the government should [34:32.960 --> 34:40.040] be able to start open source projects that, you know, contextually drive these big policy [34:40.040 --> 34:47.600] goals, whether it is DMA, DSA, the Subresidency Act, the Interoperability Act, there's so [34:47.600 --> 34:53.640] much out there that Europe, in fact, is leading, I mean, I think about GDPR, I live in California, [34:53.640 --> 35:06.640] you know, thanks to GDPR, we have CCPA, which is the most similar sort of data privacy protection, [35:06.640 --> 35:16.560] in another wise, pretty wild landscape, and, you know, at level of consumer protection, [35:16.560 --> 35:23.920] that's really, you know, it's been a standard setting from the EU, and on the other hand, [35:23.920 --> 35:28.560] it makes very complex for companies to implement it, and so open source can really deliver, [35:28.560 --> 35:33.760] as a positive sum game, an easier way to implement for the regulated industries, and a more effective [35:33.760 --> 35:41.880] way for the government to enact those policies, and of course, I will continue reiterating [35:41.880 --> 35:49.080] that digital sovereignty doesn't mean building borders, we don't want to fragment the open [35:49.080 --> 35:57.080] source community, we're going to, as Europeans, not only lose existing technology is out there, [35:57.080 --> 36:06.320] but potentially lose sort of the innovation and the growth potential for the local small [36:06.320 --> 36:12.000] and medium businesses and hopefully growing businesses, I would like to see larger technology [36:12.000 --> 36:18.600] companies in Europe being born out of open source. [36:18.600 --> 36:28.520] For companies, invest in open source talent, again, I have a lot of grievances in the United [36:28.520 --> 36:36.280] States, but they do invest in talent, and that does allow maintainers to work in open [36:36.280 --> 36:42.000] source without having to struggle, and that also has a, as I said before, a diversity [36:42.000 --> 36:48.240] angle here, like there's just folks that cannot, in many parts of the world, don't have the [36:48.240 --> 36:59.400] time to just invest in open source, to just, you know, do it in their own time, and become [36:59.400 --> 37:06.320] an open source leader, I do think that, like we've seen for the examples of Google, I was [37:06.320 --> 37:10.640] actually talking to a company here yesterday, a local company, said we wouldn't even be [37:10.640 --> 37:16.040] in the market if we were not, if it was not for open source, that's what got us on the [37:16.040 --> 37:24.040] global stage, and I think, you know, if anyone here has the decision making power, if you're [37:24.040 --> 37:32.800] trying to sell your CEO into doing open source, lead with why, lead with how they can commoditize [37:32.800 --> 37:41.240] a competitor, they can, you know, become a de facto standard, and then, if you're not [37:41.240 --> 37:50.960] able as a company to contribute time or code, well, contribute money to open source through [37:50.960 --> 38:00.280] a maintainer funding, you know, with Patreon, GitHub sponsors, you know, Foundation as a [38:00.280 --> 38:07.080] mentorship platform, there's so many ways to fund open source, doesn't have to be foundations, [38:07.080 --> 38:17.200] doesn't have to be directly employing someone, and then, last but not least, as an individual, [38:17.200 --> 38:26.400] I think you have an amazing potential to be an activist through technology, and be an [38:26.400 --> 38:31.880] activist, I think some of the most successful activists out there are not just about, you [38:31.880 --> 38:38.720] know, the quality of the code, you gotta market what you're doing, and we're here to help. [38:38.720 --> 38:44.600] I can't promise they will be able to market or promote every single open source project [38:44.600 --> 38:51.760] out there. I've been working on this deck until 3 a.m. yesterday, and got here 10 minutes [38:51.760 --> 39:00.880] late this morning, but we are there to give visibility to a lot of these projects. And [39:00.880 --> 39:08.800] culture remains still a major fragmentation, a fragmentation problem in the industry. I, [39:08.800 --> 39:13.800] the slide that unfortunately I wasn't able to present showed how there's still a lot [39:13.800 --> 39:22.400] of prejudice, and so whether it's national, whether it's racial, whether it's political, [39:22.400 --> 39:30.560] check it out the door, because that's just not gonna, you know, that diverse perspective [39:30.560 --> 39:39.600] make better projects. And then as a guy with a big ego, this is more of a lesson for myself, [39:39.600 --> 39:47.640] put your ego aside. If there is, you know, I know as an engineer at heart, I have very [39:47.640 --> 39:53.560] strong opinions of how code should be written or how, you know, certain libraries should [39:53.560 --> 40:01.880] be done. There's plenty of reasons why you want to start a new framework, but there's [40:01.880 --> 40:07.000] the whole, there's a world of open source out there, and we as foundations can do a [40:07.000 --> 40:14.200] much better job at showing what projects are healthy, what projects are aligned with certain [40:14.200 --> 40:21.400] goals. We have a lot to do there, but if we want to really make that bigger impact, we [40:21.400 --> 40:28.560] will need commitment, so from you guys to sort of put your ego on the side. And with [40:28.560 --> 40:36.840] that, thank you so much. I appreciate you being here so early and coping with me being [40:36.840 --> 40:39.920] a little late. Thank you. I know if there are questions.