[00:00.000 --> 00:09.280]  So this is more of an entertaining talk, let's say.
[00:09.280 --> 00:16.040]  It's a lot less technical, probably a lot weirder, I would say.
[00:16.040 --> 00:24.280]  And hopefully, I will go fast enough so that you can have all the crazy idea questions
[00:24.280 --> 00:25.780]  at the end.
[00:25.780 --> 00:31.400]  Even a little demo, I have some hardware with me, if you didn't try VR, at least I think
[00:31.400 --> 00:34.200]  today you should try this, if you feel like it.
[00:34.200 --> 00:37.780]  So that will be, like, say, just there where it's fresh.
[00:37.780 --> 00:47.480]  So I will, so those are my slides, it's a jiz and frail, yes, why not.
[00:47.480 --> 00:58.140]  I will start by saying that I gave a couple of workshops to kids, actually, on discovering
[00:58.140 --> 01:04.860]  VR, and that was pretty nice.
[01:04.860 --> 01:09.660]  I thought initially I would give workshops and give, you know, a roller coaster.
[01:09.660 --> 01:14.820]  Some kids asked me about murdering clowns on top of a roller coaster.
[01:14.820 --> 01:20.660]  I did not prepare this, I admit, but that was, yeah, interesting, different inputs.
[01:20.660 --> 01:26.980]  I think it's a really interesting way also to consider teaching, computer science, programming,
[01:26.980 --> 01:31.420]  because I was saying there are my Pine Watch, like there is a computer everywhere.
[01:31.420 --> 01:33.020]  That's just a computer.
[01:33.020 --> 01:36.780]  That's why it might sound weird, it might be a little bit outside of people's comfort
[01:36.780 --> 01:42.700]  zone, but in the end, you can program a computer, you can program that.
[01:42.700 --> 01:46.780]  So I will introduce myself a bit first.
[01:46.780 --> 01:49.860]  So my name is Fabien, Fabien Benetou, Utopia.
[01:49.860 --> 01:57.060]  I work mostly at the European Parliament as a WebXR consultant, so I just do VR and AR
[01:57.060 --> 02:07.300]  on the web, that's it, and I do it as a prototypist, submitting all the tips you had or the suggestion
[02:07.300 --> 02:11.340]  you had at the beginning of the day on the TypeScript, on quality code.
[02:11.340 --> 02:13.540]  I don't know any of that.
[02:13.540 --> 02:18.740]  As I was saying before earlier, chatting with somebody at the entrance, if my code runs
[02:18.740 --> 02:20.740]  during the duration of the demo, I'm happy.
[02:20.740 --> 02:28.380]  The next day, yeah, it's a bonus, but yeah, that's the length mostly.
[02:28.380 --> 02:33.860]  And I gave a couple of talks here at first, them on connecting exotic hardware, like the
[02:33.860 --> 02:39.460]  Watch or IoT, everything, of course, using JavaScript.
[02:39.460 --> 02:44.180]  And this one will be on how to do this on a plane in a VR headset.
[02:44.180 --> 02:51.140]  So my motivation behind this is I have a bunch of notes, I have a wiki, that's the wiki,
[02:51.140 --> 02:57.980]  and I have a, you can still hear me, the 2D visualization of it, but it feels flat, like
[02:57.980 --> 03:02.220]  I don't want to have my notes in my model scheme or I don't want to have my notes behind
[03:02.220 --> 03:08.260]  the thin screen, I want them everywhere, so I can play with it, like I organize the space.
[03:08.260 --> 03:14.460]  So for this, I already had a couple of versions, I used Mozilla Hubs, so a little show of hands,
[03:14.460 --> 03:16.940]  how many of you tried VR at all?
[03:16.940 --> 03:23.500]  Okay, I would say two-third, half-two-third, how many of you tried Mozilla Hubs?
[03:23.500 --> 03:27.180]  Okay, five, six.
[03:27.180 --> 03:30.620]  So it's a social VR experiment.
[03:30.620 --> 03:36.580]  It's a pretty good solution to be honest, works quite well, and you can do this, meaning
[03:36.580 --> 03:42.540]  you can be in of your headset with your hands moving, you can be on a laptop, on a mobile
[03:42.540 --> 03:49.900]  phone, and you can see this shared virtual space, it's using 3GS for the 3D environment,
[03:49.900 --> 03:54.500]  and you can have PDF, you can have your webcam, you can take screenshots, you can honestly
[03:54.500 --> 04:03.580]  do pretty much most of what one would want to do, so I did quite a few hacks or modifications
[04:03.580 --> 04:04.580]  of it.
[04:04.580 --> 04:12.700]  It's obviously open source, that's the interesting part, but it's not enough, so you can do a
[04:12.700 --> 04:17.140]  bunch of hacks or explain a little bit how, for example, I turn on enough the lights in
[04:17.140 --> 04:23.180]  my office while I'm in VR, director kits on how to record with traveling, a bunch of
[04:23.180 --> 04:31.980]  different things, to the point that I did my little toolkit on how to customize, yeah,
[04:31.980 --> 04:34.860]  that's not going to work here.
[04:34.860 --> 04:41.700]  So you will have the link on the page, so imagine a bunch of functions related to hubs
[04:41.700 --> 04:44.100]  to do all this.
[04:44.100 --> 04:48.940]  So I really think basically here the point is hubs is a good solution, it works quite
[04:48.940 --> 04:52.860]  well if you want to do just social VR.
[04:52.860 --> 04:58.860]  The thing is first of all, it doesn't work offline, and I started after the end of the
[04:58.860 --> 05:05.100]  pandemic to start to fly again, to go see family, and I thought that's one of the best
[05:05.100 --> 05:09.820]  use case for VR, like I don't like being on a plane, I don't know if you do, but I think
[05:09.820 --> 05:14.580]  if you're the pilot, it's fine, but otherwise as a passenger, it sucks.
[05:14.580 --> 05:18.460]  And one of the beauty of those things is you put the headset on and you're basically somewhere
[05:18.460 --> 05:19.460]  else.
[05:19.460 --> 05:25.020]  But I don't want to be in VR on a plane and do a roller coaster or something, I just
[05:25.020 --> 05:31.220]  want to code, I want to be there and be able to do something that I have agency over, I
[05:31.220 --> 05:35.940]  want to build stuff, I want to create things, and I don't want to be like this.
[05:35.940 --> 05:38.540]  I want to feel like I'm somewhere else.
[05:38.540 --> 05:46.940]  Then I started to build on that, including, let's say, managing the history in my browser.
[05:46.940 --> 05:51.500]  So I would take a snapshot of the different pages that I visited, be able to organize
[05:51.500 --> 05:52.500]  them.
[05:52.500 --> 05:58.180]  As you might be able to see, this doesn't look at all like Mozilla Hubs.
[05:58.180 --> 06:02.900]  So Mozilla Hubs is amazing, but it's a huge stack, actually, and it's a stack that depends
[06:02.900 --> 06:08.220]  on AWS, which I obviously don't have on my plane or the plane I'm flying with.
[06:08.220 --> 06:13.060]  So then I started to rebuild it from scratch, basically.
[06:13.060 --> 06:20.380]  One warning, also, when you saw to hear programming in VR, I had a discussion with somebody just
[06:20.380 --> 06:31.460]  yesterday about it, it might be productive, I would say, at some point, but that's not
[06:31.460 --> 06:32.460]  my point.
[06:32.460 --> 06:36.700]  I don't find that interesting, like I have a really nice desk at home, it moves and all,
[06:36.700 --> 06:42.220]  and I have my ergonomic keyboard, and I can move my 4K screen, I like it, but I don't
[06:42.220 --> 06:43.220]  have that on the plane.
[06:43.220 --> 06:48.540]  So the point is being able to move in space when I have the space, and if I don't, to
[06:48.540 --> 06:52.500]  be able to use the space around me in a really compact manner.
[06:52.500 --> 06:56.740]  So the point is, this whole argument is like, don't look at this presentation thinking,
[06:56.740 --> 06:58.700]  is it to replace the way I work today?
[06:58.700 --> 06:59.700]  That's not the point.
[06:59.700 --> 07:03.260]  It might be, if you're into it, but it's more exploring what could be interesting in
[07:03.260 --> 07:04.760]  terms of interfaces.
[07:04.760 --> 07:08.700]  So yeah, word per minute, if you're starting to sit next to me with your laptop and we
[07:08.700 --> 07:12.340]  do a competition of how efficient you are, you're going to win.
[07:12.340 --> 07:21.020]  I mean, I hope for you, but that's not the point.
[07:21.020 --> 07:26.260]  And I was able, actually, on the plane to make friends, because the person next to me
[07:26.260 --> 07:33.260]  was like, what is this guy doing with his keyboard on the tray, plus there was no USB-C
[07:33.260 --> 07:39.340]  on it, so I had to plug the adapter, put it on top of the device, and then put, it was
[07:39.340 --> 07:41.100]  not wireless back then.
[07:41.100 --> 07:44.420]  So now I'm pretty happy I just received this little thing.
[07:44.420 --> 07:52.220]  So it's a Bluetooth keyboard, and it's mechanical one that's way more efficient.
[07:52.220 --> 07:59.380]  Back then I didn't have this, so yeah, that was a good excuse to meet someone and chat
[07:59.380 --> 08:03.500]  about what does it actually mean to program in VR.
[08:03.500 --> 08:07.180]  The next step being actually tinkering with it.
[08:07.180 --> 08:17.500]  So I went from having the history of my browsing behavior, let's say, to moving content and
[08:17.500 --> 08:22.860]  moving content by just pinching basically a page.
[08:22.860 --> 08:26.820]  So that's a render of a page, that's not a web page itself.
[08:26.820 --> 08:32.100]  What hopefully, I don't know if you can see all the way there, but basically with my right
[08:32.100 --> 08:38.060]  hand I'm able to move things around, and with my left hand I'm able to execute code.
[08:38.060 --> 08:42.340]  So that's, let's say the main trick, if there was one thing you need to think about that
[08:42.340 --> 08:49.260]  presentation is about moving things around freely or naturally, but also you will see
[08:49.260 --> 08:52.380]  the, so I move things.
[08:52.380 --> 08:58.540]  The red sphere there, and then if I pinch on that piece of code, the sphere there is
[08:58.540 --> 08:59.540]  blue.
[08:59.540 --> 09:03.580]  So I'm just moving things around, but it starts to manipulate text, which takes this code
[09:03.580 --> 09:10.660]  and then code can change the environment you're inside of.
[09:10.660 --> 09:23.820]  And the one trick to do this, I will hide it away, but you can guess.
[09:23.820 --> 09:26.620]  How to execute code in JavaScript?
[09:26.620 --> 09:32.460]  The one thing you're not supposed to use, evil, because it's evil, I think that's the
[09:32.460 --> 09:34.060]  one use case when you can use it.
[09:34.060 --> 09:38.060]  When your string of text is actually code and you're not running a bank or something
[09:38.060 --> 09:44.780]  like this, like this is my code running on my headset, I don't have anything that I won't
[09:44.780 --> 09:49.780]  accept to break, let's say, but even then it's executing locally.
[09:49.780 --> 09:54.220]  So that's the one reason, in my opinion, to use it.
[09:54.220 --> 09:58.460]  So the idea behind it is like, oh, I can manipulate text.
[09:58.460 --> 09:59.780]  That text can be code.
[09:59.780 --> 10:05.660]  I can change that text directly while I'm in the headset, either pinching it like single
[10:05.660 --> 10:11.260]  letters or with a keyboard to be more efficient, and then I can execute it, which is going
[10:11.260 --> 10:18.340]  to change the whole environment I'm inside of.
[10:18.340 --> 10:26.780]  So the trick for it was basically what I like to think of the escape valve, which is to
[10:26.780 --> 10:31.900]  say that, yeah, I could redesign an entire programming language, I could make it a programming
[10:31.900 --> 10:38.780]  language for VR, but I can also rely on one I already know, and that already has an engine
[10:38.780 --> 10:40.180]  in it, so namely JavaScript.
[10:40.180 --> 10:42.500]  So that's a little, let's say, trick.
[10:42.500 --> 10:49.260]  So I'll show a couple of examples, but that was an excuse not just to manipulate text
[10:49.260 --> 10:53.060]  and this code, but then to start to make my own programming language.
[10:53.060 --> 10:57.060]  So how many of us here have made their own programming language?
[10:57.060 --> 11:03.060]  Yeah, I see, there are very few hands that are like this, most hands are like that.
[11:03.060 --> 11:04.060]  I'm like that too.
[11:04.060 --> 11:09.300]  I don't think, honestly, I feel a little bit, maybe not ashamed, but I'm not proud of it
[11:09.300 --> 11:15.900]  either, what I'm trying to convey is the endeavor, trying to do it is super interesting.
[11:15.900 --> 11:19.540]  I don't think I've learned as much recently as trying to do this.
[11:19.540 --> 11:24.900]  I also recommend, if you check the slides or the presentation after, don't learn my
[11:24.900 --> 11:25.900]  programming language.
[11:25.900 --> 11:27.220]  I don't think it's a good one.
[11:27.220 --> 11:32.420]  It's a very interesting one for me by building it, by seeing the limitations of my understanding
[11:32.420 --> 11:35.300]  of what a programming language is.
[11:35.300 --> 11:41.060]  But so this, why we recommend this course specifically, it's because he's not going
[11:41.060 --> 11:46.220]  to, let's say, let's do an alternative to C, which for most of us would be too far and
[11:46.220 --> 11:47.220]  not practical.
[11:47.220 --> 11:53.020]  He's basically saying, well, JavaScript is a language, the browser will notice an environment
[11:53.020 --> 11:57.820]  you can already work with, you can transpile, you can use Babel, and that's enough, let's
[11:57.820 --> 12:01.860]  say, to get the foundation of what a programming language is.
[12:01.860 --> 12:05.420]  So I really recommend this kind of course, if you're considering programming, making
[12:05.420 --> 12:06.420]  your own programming language.
[12:06.420 --> 12:12.860]  And also, I don't know how many of you are familiar with this book.
[12:12.860 --> 12:28.100]  Yeah, I don't think I can go back easy either.
[12:28.100 --> 12:33.540]  So yeah, if you ever try to learn, I think, the foundation of programming and programming
[12:33.540 --> 12:39.100]  languages, usually you often do it with Lisp, which works well because it's so compact that
[12:39.100 --> 12:44.260]  you can keep it all in your mind, basically.
[12:44.260 --> 12:48.700]  But again, most of us are not familiar with Lisp, and even if we are, then it's not what
[12:48.700 --> 12:50.420]  we work with on a daily basis.
[12:50.420 --> 12:56.060]  So, SICP, but the JavaScript version has been out for a couple of years now, so if you want
[12:56.060 --> 12:59.940]  to learn, it's at the foundation of a programming language.
[12:59.940 --> 13:05.740]  While being familiar with the language itself, I really recommend it, it's quite taking,
[13:05.740 --> 13:15.980]  but I think it's really, it's a good investment.
[13:15.980 --> 13:20.780]  So then I'll show a couple of the features of the environment, but I won't show all
[13:20.780 --> 13:23.300]  of them, go too deep in there.
[13:23.300 --> 13:27.340]  But then what's interesting is you don't have just one line of code, but then you start
[13:27.340 --> 13:32.860]  to have groups of lines of code or history, the stack of what you executed.
[13:32.860 --> 13:39.780]  Of course, because your NVR code is not everything, so for example, some of the code is about
[13:39.780 --> 13:41.500]  loading a 3D model.
[13:41.500 --> 13:46.540]  So if you pinch it again, you execute that line of code, you get a 3D model out of it,
[13:46.540 --> 13:49.900]  and then you can do it a couple of more times.
[13:49.900 --> 13:54.900]  You get, I see that the contrast is not high there, but you get the history of what you
[13:54.900 --> 13:58.580]  just executed, then you can save it and execute it again.
[13:58.580 --> 14:05.620]  So you start to have the same, let's say primitives you're used to.
[14:05.620 --> 14:19.820]  And then yeah, you can do shortcuts, you can visualize the groupings.
[14:19.820 --> 14:27.020]  So for the people who twisted their hand instead of raising it, this is also where I'm at in
[14:27.020 --> 14:32.220]  the sense that I don't actually know if it's a fair thing to call this a programming language.
[14:32.220 --> 14:35.820]  Is it just like a bunch of utils, a bunch of shortcuts?
[14:35.820 --> 14:36.820]  I'm not sure.
[14:36.820 --> 14:41.660]  Again, what I find interesting in that process of making a programming language is, yeah,
[14:41.660 --> 14:42.660]  it's up to you.
[14:42.660 --> 14:46.300]  It's up to what you find interesting, it's up to what you find efficient.
[14:46.300 --> 14:52.900]  So yeah, I start, try to document it, stack back a bit, but yeah, all what it prompts
[14:52.900 --> 14:59.340]  me to think of is really, really interesting, really valuable.
[14:59.340 --> 15:05.300]  And also, if you don't go down that route, there is a subreddit for it, it's a subreddit
[15:05.300 --> 15:10.540]  for pretty much anything, but yeah, for R slash programming languages, where you can
[15:10.540 --> 15:12.220]  ask simple questions like this.
[15:12.220 --> 15:27.620]  Like what is the most interesting aspect of it?
[15:27.620 --> 15:34.300]  So of course, I had to omit that, so I display my issues from my repository in my VR environment
[15:34.300 --> 15:37.780]  so that I can move them like as if I was on a wall.
[15:37.780 --> 15:43.820]  I can display 3D models from, let's say a library of 3D models, this way I can organize
[15:43.820 --> 15:49.380]  it like tiles and then start to make a 3D environment to work out in off.
[15:49.380 --> 15:54.140]  I can do honestly this part, the graphs, I mostly did because a friend asked me during
[15:54.140 --> 15:58.940]  lunch, I was like, this is annoying, everybody find graphs sexy, it is looking good, but
[15:58.940 --> 16:01.700]  I'm not sure what's the point, so just okay, I'll just make a graph.
[16:01.700 --> 16:08.700]  So those are actually the pages of the wiki where I'm taking the notes out of the display
[16:08.700 --> 16:12.340]  there and they're all manipulable.
[16:12.340 --> 16:16.300]  Taking screenshots also in VR, I think that's a great way to document if you're doing a
[16:16.300 --> 16:20.660]  process, of course you can have the code out of it, you can save it back to your wiki,
[16:20.660 --> 16:26.100]  for example, but the movement, how things are going to be organized and how you want
[16:26.100 --> 16:31.060]  to, let's say, organize the tiles to make the 3D world, you want to tell a story to
[16:31.060 --> 16:36.820]  someone who might not have, no one to use a headset, then just taking a screenshot, capturing
[16:36.820 --> 16:49.260]  it and then sending it elsewhere, it's a pretty efficient way to do it.
[16:49.260 --> 16:54.500]  That was just this morning, so there's the same thing of managing issues, displaying
[16:54.500 --> 16:59.940]  the issues from the repository live, I can again grab them, move them in places, but
[16:59.940 --> 17:06.140]  using Swagger, so if you're not familiar with Swagger, it's a meta API, it's an API to manage
[17:06.140 --> 17:15.060]  all APIs, so once you have access to, when you load using Swagger, I can load from GitHub,
[17:15.060 --> 17:20.740]  whatever is going to have a Swagger specification, and that means making them as, for example,
[17:20.740 --> 17:23.540]  manipulable blocks.
[17:23.540 --> 17:28.020]  It's federated, so it's social, but if you have your own server, then you can connect
[17:28.020 --> 17:33.700]  to it, and we can be friends, we can exchange code also, so I can move the code in my event,
[17:33.700 --> 17:37.700]  and you can receive it and execute it.
[17:37.700 --> 17:44.100]  One port that is kind of funny is snapping, so those are blocks.
[17:44.100 --> 17:48.700]  You cannot hear it, so you'll have to trust me, but when the blocks are close enough,
[17:48.700 --> 17:51.260]  you hear them snap.
[17:51.260 --> 17:58.500]  The point of those blocks, or blocks rather, or not just blocks, is you can attach code
[17:58.500 --> 18:02.780]  on it, so then you can manipulate them literally like a legal block.
[18:02.780 --> 18:07.180]  That's again the part of the interactions that become interesting, yes, you can have
[18:07.180 --> 18:11.940]  a keyboard, and the keyboard works well, but if you just do the keyboard, yeah, you could
[18:11.940 --> 18:14.980]  just use a bigger screen, if you're always not that interesting for it, but if you can
[18:14.980 --> 18:21.260]  have both, programming with a keyboard, or naturally manipulating, or simply, let's say,
[18:21.260 --> 18:25.220]  directly manipulating with your hand, I think that becomes again interesting.
[18:25.220 --> 18:28.780]  So again, you need to imagine those are not just blocks, or blocks of code, it's called,
[18:28.780 --> 18:32.780]  let's say, for swagger, so that you can get the information from an API or execute through
[18:32.780 --> 18:40.780]  that API.
[18:40.780 --> 18:48.580]  So why also do I do all this with the blocks, is because I think that's a great way to learn.
[18:48.580 --> 18:54.340]  So you can imagine this, the blocks for running code that is abstract, let's say list things,
[18:54.340 --> 18:59.180]  but you can use that for chemistry, let's say it's a C, and it's a C, or it's an H,
[18:59.180 --> 19:03.380]  H, and an O, and you bring them together, they snap when it makes a molecule.
[19:03.380 --> 19:10.740]  I think the same kind of things apply to pretty much any field of study, so physics, chemistry,
[19:10.740 --> 19:15.500]  sociology, like you have a set of atoms and a set of rules, if you can, then, to have
[19:15.500 --> 19:22.540]  a certain organization specialized together, then you can learn this field, hopefully,
[19:22.540 --> 19:28.180]  in a more embodied way.
[19:28.180 --> 19:46.100]  Nope, I guess that's going to be it.
[19:46.100 --> 20:06.420]  I have a Twitter archive, because it's not working properly, but not for recent things.
[20:06.420 --> 20:24.900]  Well, okay.
[20:24.900 --> 20:28.380]  So that's, it's fine.
[20:28.380 --> 20:30.100]  All this, I think it's pretty interesting.
[20:30.100 --> 20:34.180]  The one thing I'm even more awkward with, rather than calling the thing I've done in
[20:34.180 --> 20:35.980]  my programming language, is this.
[20:35.980 --> 20:39.780]  So that headset is an Oculus Quest or a Meta Quest.
[20:39.780 --> 20:45.860]  I don't have a Meta account, I don't think it's, I don't think it's a, yeah, I don't
[20:45.860 --> 20:51.540]  think surveillance capitalism is a good business model, let's say, as a society, but it works
[20:51.540 --> 20:52.540]  really well.
[20:52.540 --> 20:53.540]  So that's pretty awkward.
[20:53.540 --> 21:00.540]  I really don't think it's such a good thing, and I called it an adversarial dependency,
[21:00.540 --> 21:04.700]  because it helps me to build more, explore more, but on something I don't want to rely
[21:04.700 --> 21:07.300]  on, because it's not aligned with my set of values.
[21:07.300 --> 21:13.820]  So I still show all this, because, yeah, you won't see the photo, but there are a couple
[21:13.820 --> 21:19.780]  of headsets, like the links, that should be there in a couple of weeks.
[21:19.780 --> 21:25.500]  The point is, don't associate VR with just Meta or Facebook.
[21:25.500 --> 21:28.740]  It is a convenient one, but there are alternatives coming out.
[21:28.740 --> 21:32.740]  There is also a similar VR.
[21:32.740 --> 21:34.180]  It's not the only way to do VR.
[21:34.180 --> 21:38.340]  So adversarial dependency, in the sense that, yes, you can rely on it temporarily, as long
[21:38.340 --> 21:42.780]  as you can have it just as a replaceable block, and as long as you can swap it whenever
[21:42.780 --> 21:48.740]  you get something that's more than with your value, that is much better.
[21:48.740 --> 21:49.740]  But that's it, yeah.
[21:49.740 --> 21:53.980]  The whole point of this is building your own scaffolding, being a programming language,
[21:53.980 --> 22:00.500]  being a tool chain, using VR, because I find that needs to be the most interesting interface.
[22:00.500 --> 22:02.940]  But yeah, that would be my recommendation for you.
[22:02.940 --> 22:07.780]  Just make your interface, make your scaffolding, using VR or not.
[22:07.780 --> 22:12.100]  And if you want to try the VR one, I'll be around with it.
[22:12.100 --> 22:15.100]  Thank you.
[22:15.100 --> 22:28.340]  I think we have time for a couple of questions.
[22:28.340 --> 22:47.500]  Do you have any questions?
[22:47.500 --> 22:55.580]  I really like the VR experience in the plane, but have you thought about the incidents that
[22:55.580 --> 22:59.420]  may occur, like hitting my neighbors, punching him?
[22:59.420 --> 23:00.420]  No.
[23:00.420 --> 23:01.420]  Thank you.
[23:01.420 --> 23:02.420]  Yeah.
[23:02.420 --> 23:09.980]  So, I don't recommend punching anybody, but you're not good, so you define the interactions
[23:09.980 --> 23:10.980]  however you want.
[23:10.980 --> 23:15.700]  So basically, if you put things, let's say, to the object, either a block of code or a
[23:15.700 --> 23:21.060]  hat, whatever, a meter away from you, you're going to punch your neighbor.
[23:21.060 --> 23:26.460]  But because now you have access to the code in there, you can just say, oh, I bring, let's
[23:26.460 --> 23:32.380]  say, everything within a 50 centimeters radius, and yeah, you can just do it on the spot.
[23:32.380 --> 23:38.380]  Again, it's using WebXR, so it's VR and AO on the web, meaning there is no, like, unity
[23:38.380 --> 23:40.820]  build, there is nothing there.
[23:40.820 --> 23:43.460]  Everything is done directly in the headset.
[23:43.460 --> 23:48.060]  You can put your Node.js server, or even your Python server, whatever you want to run.
[23:48.060 --> 23:53.260]  So it means you can refresh the page, and then you have your new content, the new way
[23:53.260 --> 23:58.580]  to handle it, so either you do it without even having to reload, but you can fix it
[23:58.580 --> 24:18.780]  on the fly, let's see.